rethink

Ashok · Site Admin Joined: 23 Oct 2007 Posts: 16

Two recent poems by Erin Elizabeth flow very nicely and are incredibly difficult, and I want to discuss them if possible:

The Chainsaw Bears (1)

The Chainsaw Bears (2)

Amanda · Joined: 24 Oct 2007 Posts: 21

The poems are interesting. I failed miserably at literary interpretation. I always take away something completely unintended and different from everyone else. And then I'm so stubborn I say, if that's what it meant to me, then I'm right. (I still think that way, by the way, and don't care what the English teachers tell you that you were supposed to "get out" of something).

The poems make me think "rednecks" is that stupid? Oh well, My first impression was just that. They are rednecks in Tennessee, at that. Or maybe Alabama. Or maybe pessimism-- maybe she's talking about me?

Ashok · Site Admin Joined: 23 Oct 2007 Posts: 16

I think there's definitely something redneck about combining the words "chainsaw" and "bear."

The trick is going through Erin Elizabeth's lists in the first one. The only line that stands out for me as unambiguous, as a starting point for interpretation, is:

They've always wanted money over love.

Reading that back into previous distinctions, "breathy Latinate" is inferior to an Anglo-Saxon where each syllable can be controlled. Women like Rebecca and Eve are probably a lot more independent than ones named after trends. The season of pumpkins is when a reward is had and growing has ceased for the most part.

Generally speaking, there seems to be a control vs. sensuality distinction. But people aren't what they control, they probably only exist inasmuch as they are loved/do love.

Does that help at all? I'm only talking about the first poem, and I'm not sure if I've gotten any of it right.

Amanda · Joined: 24 Oct 2007 Posts: 21

I took it as a simplicity issue, or unsophistication, rather. That actually may be the same thing as your control issue. The poem gives me the image of a specific person- not a specific person with a name, but a specific kind of person. (Of course that specific kind doesn't completely exist in reality. The most seemingly simple and transparent person always has something else going on.) Like the kind who would beat his wife if she wouldn't fight back and sell his kids if he found a buyer... (this is what I call a redneck, the rest of you would probably call me a redneck just for the fact that I live in the middle of nowhere Georgia, refuse to spend more than $10 on a shirt, and don't even have a car, so this is the redneck view of a redneck Wink

maybe it's selfishness that I'm getting at, but I think you are right, there is a control thing as opposed to a freer "feeling" thing.

Of course some would see it exactly the opposite I do. Crysanthemums, hemlock, and black tea are all the "cultured" choices, but that equates to controllable, and I had exactly the same reaction to the name line, though not necessarily for the same reason as I saw a preference for money as an indication of simplicity and selfishness.

The part I found the least meaning is is the part about summer and preferring winter with burning chimneys. Huh? I guess if you look at it from the same as the rest, winter keeps people inside where they create their own environment as opposed to the natural one. A lot like, say, a desert made of brown sugar over fruit.

And maybe she chose the title "chainsaw bears" to show the absurdity of people's fixation with controlling their environment as opposed to just using what's there- ridiculous like a bear with a chainsaw?

Amanda · Joined: 24 Oct 2007 Posts: 21

Getting there...

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